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[I] Football Monks [message #287008] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:45
Richard Adams  
< http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyE noughNews&storyID=2006-06-12T071539Z_01_BKK66616_RTRIDST _0_OUKOE-UK-SOCCER-WORLD-CAMBODIA.XML>

While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting event.

Ahm Ahm Ahm...
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287010 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:52
Orjan Westin  
Richard Adams wrote:
> < http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyE noughNews&storyID=2006-06-12T071539Z_01_BKK66616_RTRIDST _0_OUKOE-UK-SOCCER-WORLD-CAMBODIA.XML>
>
> While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
> it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
> calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
> who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
> tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting
> event.

<puzzled>
But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football Monks?
</puzzled>

Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it for an hour
and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if you're lucky? Yes, there is
something like that going on now, isn't there? I believe I heard
somebody mention something about a "Herd Flup" or something.

Each to their own, I guess.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: Football Monks [message #287017 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 18:12
Richard Adams  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Richard Adams wrote:
> > < http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyE noughNews&storyID=2006-06-12T071539Z_01_BKK66616_RTRIDST _0_OUKOE-UK-SOCCER-WORLD-CAMBODIA.XML>
> >
> > While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
> > it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
> > calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
> > who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
> > tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting
> > event.
>
> <puzzled>
> But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football Monks?
> </puzzled>
>
> Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it for an hour
> and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if you're lucky? Yes, there is
> something like that going on now, isn't there? I believe I heard
> somebody mention something about a "Herd Flup" or something.
>
> Each to their own, I guess.
>

I expect the XXXX Football Monks practice it differently and are doing
so with great serenity at the moment.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287019 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 18:28
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>

> Richard Adams wrote:

>> the world's most captivating sporting event.
>
> <puzzled>
> But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
> Monks? </puzzled>
>
> Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
> for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
> you're lucky?

> Each to their own, I guess.

Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
all other spectator sports)...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287055 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:07
Torak  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
>>Richard Adams wrote:
>
>>>the world's most captivating sporting event.
>>
>><puzzled>
>>But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
>>Monks? </puzzled>
>>
>>Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
>>for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
>>you're lucky?
>
>>Each to their own, I guess.
>
> Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
> it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
> all other spectator sports)...

I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with complete
sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may
or may not be roughly the same thing.
Re: Football Monks [message #287064 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:26
Richard Adams  
Torak wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> > speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
> >>Richard Adams wrote:
> >
> >>>the world's most captivating sporting event.
> >>
> >><puzzled>
> >>But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
> >>Monks? </puzzled>
> >>
> >>Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
> >>for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
> >>you're lucky?
> >
> >>Each to their own, I guess.
> >
> > Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
> > it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
> > all other spectator sports)...
>
> I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
> attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with complete
> sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may
> or may not be roughly the same thing.

Yes.. I think I can see your point. Posting on AFP is clearly your
favoured pastime.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287067 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:31
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>

> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

>>>Each to their own, I guess.
>>
>> Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football,
>> rating it about level with obscure billiards variants
>> (and, indeed, all other spectator sports)...
>
> I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But
> football attains a level of tedium that I normally
> associate only with complete sensory deprivation
> accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may or may
> not be roughly the same thing.

Pool I like, just not to watch. The rules are simple enough
that I can grasp them, and it doesn't exceed my natural
activity level by too much.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: Football Monks [message #287071 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 20:05
Torak  
Richard Adams wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>>
>>I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
>>attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with complete
>>sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may
>>or may not be roughly the same thing.
>
> Yes.. I think I can see your point. Posting on AFP is clearly your
> favoured pastime.

Sod all else to do at the moment.
Re: Football Monks [message #287076 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 20:09
Orjan Westin  
Torak wrote:
> Richard Adams wrote:
>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
>>> attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with
>>> complete sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon
>>> Brown, which may or may not be roughly the same thing.
>>
>> Yes.. I think I can see your point. Posting on AFP is clearly your
>> favoured pastime.
>
> Sod all else to do at the moment.

We *do* notice.

So, why not take this golden opportunity of not having anything else to
do and write a longer, witty and/or interesting post, instead of
spreading youself thinly all over the group?

It *would* be a nice change for some of us.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287097 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 20:51
Eric Jarvis  
Daibhid Ceanaideach daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com wrote in
<Xns97E0B1B4842E0daibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>:
> The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
>
> > Richard Adams wrote:
>
> >> the world's most captivating sporting event.
> >
> > <puzzled>
> > But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
> > Monks? </puzzled>
> >
> > Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
> > for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
> > you're lucky?
>
> > Each to their own, I guess.
>
> Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
> it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
> all other spectator sports)...
>

Whereas I find it completely engrossing to watch and exhilarating to play.
A subtle combination of strength, grace, and drama, that few other sports
get near. I like the fact that it is essentially the same game being
played in the local Sunday League and the World Cup, and that the open
pyramid structure means that if they are capable and if they want to that
local Sunday league team could one day be European champions. It's not
likely, but the important thing is that the structure reaches from the top
to the bottom. Politically it remains an egalitarian game despite all the
efforts of the broadcasters and the owners of the big clubs to produce a
protected monopoly.

I like the essentially human scale of the game. You don't have to be a
superhuman to succeed. Some top players can compete on a level with
Olympic sprinter, but some most certainly can't. Some top players are
extremely tall, many are far from it. It doesn't matter what body you were
born with very few people are completely incapable of becoming at least
competent at the sport if they wish and if they start young enough.

The fact that it's a worldwide game also means there is at least some back
story to almost every game. Whether it be Antonio Rio Mavuba who has
progressed from being a little boy fleeing the bloodshed in Zaire to one
of the top footballers in the world in the space of a few short years, or
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink who insists on using the full name of his
family, football is full of strange and interesting people if you only
look.

I like drama that is completely unpredictable, like all the best
improvised drama football uses a restricted structure to encourage freedom
of expression, and like all improvised drama it can fall flat on its face.
However you don't know what will happen when the game starts. No matter
who is playing who.

Each to their own.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287113 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:35
Hendrik Schober  
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
> The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
>
> > Richard Adams wrote:
>
> > > the world's most captivating sporting event.
> >
> > <puzzled>
> > But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
> > Monks? </puzzled>
> >
> > Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
> > for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
> > you're lucky?
>
> > Each to their own, I guess.
>
> Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
> it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
> all other spectator sports)...

I usually don't care for it, too. However, on Friday night
we (i.e. my girlfriend, our toddler, and I) went to the park
where that little cafe they have there set up a (somewhat)
big screen outside, sat around chatted, had a beer (except
for the boy) and I taught the boy (21 months) the general
idea of hitting the ball with the foot. Oh, and we looked at
the screen once in a while -- often enough, to see four of
the six goals of the opening game. I think I could enjoy more
of it in this way and keep thinking I might go to the park
tonight and watch a game, but once I am at home I don'tfeel
like it's important enough to do that and I agree with Örjan
that one goal per game (as it so often is) is boring. Maybe
tomorrow night...

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287114 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:39
Rocky Frisco  
Richard Adams wrote:

> < http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyE noughNews&storyID=2006-06-12T071539Z_01_BKK66616_RTRIDST _0_OUKOE-UK-SOCCER-WORLD-CAMBODIA.XML>
>
> While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
> it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
> calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
> who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
> tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting event.
>
> Ahm Ahm Ahm...

In the light of this, I think it's good to remember that Gautama once
said, "I am NOT a Buddhist.!"

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an Episcopalian.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287115 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:39
Steve Rogers  
"Eric Jarvis" <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef7c7d3d2594ea2989ceb [at] cenote.gkhs.net...
> Daibhid Ceanaideach daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com wrote in
> <Xns97E0B1B4842E0daibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>:
>> The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>> speaker: "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
>>
>> > Richard Adams wrote:
>>
>> >> the world's most captivating sporting event.
>> >
>> > <puzzled>
>> > But why would followers of snooker call themselves Football
>> > Monks? </puzzled>
>> >
>> > Oh, you're talking about that pastime in which you watch it
>> > for an hour and a half to see one pot, sorry goal, if
>> > you're lucky?
>>
>> > Each to their own, I guess.
>>
>> Oh, absolutely. I share your disinterest in football, rating
>> it about level with obscure billiards variants (and, indeed,
>> all other spectator sports)...
>>
>
> Whereas I find it completely engrossing to watch and exhilarating to
> play.
<snip>
> Each to their own.
>

Whereas I look at them all as being of no particular interest when the
people involved start getting paid (or paid more than they're really
worth) and get asked their opinions on the really important things for
which they have limited capacity to understand. Not saying that there
aren't people paid what they are worth even if it is stupid amounts and
that there aren't those who's real educational attainments are
astounding in any sport, just the waste of spaces seem to dominate
IMNSHO. ;-)

Steve
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287136 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:51
Thomas Zahr  
Eric Jarvis posted:

....

> Each to their own.

For some extremely complicated reason [1] I have to take part in this
years village soccer tournament. 'tis the 29th. There is
two disciplines. Soccer and staying upright at the bar. We
have high hopes for the second.

We start on Wednesday evening, then through to Friday. If no
miracle occurs, we don't need to play on Saturday.

But we did actually train (basically every Sunday) for almost
a year. Which means we have a chance. A chance not to come
last.

The beer will be good though. Koelsch!

I'll let you all know how it went on Saturday (if anybody is
interested, that is)

[1] basically my son asked me to [2]
[2] all other dad's in his team were taking part [3]
[3] oh shit, I thought [4]
[4] I actually bought my first pair of soccer boots [5]
[5] ever

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<what a waste>
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287149 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:08
Sofia  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:35:14 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:

> but once I am at home I don'tfeel
> like it's important enough to do that and I agree with Örjan
> that one goal per game (as it so often is) is boring. Maybe
> tomorrow night...


Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? This morning I watched
two football matches on TV - Australia vs Japan score 3/1 to the Aussies,
and straight afterwards Czechoslovakia vs America 3/0 to the Czechs.

I've been having a great time watching the flukes, and bangers going in,
getting angry at bad decisions I think the ref'made against the team I
don't want to win the game, laughing my head off when it's the other way
round, and I also sat there completely stumped at how Trinidad & Tobago
managed to draw 0/0 with Sweden, after there was all this hype that the
Swedish would walk all over them before the game started.

It was also great fun laughing at the Mexican manager yesterday on TV, who
looked like Satin himself as I pictured him with a tail and horns -
really scary with a little devil-beard, and who kept hubby and me in fits
of laughter the way he kept sticking his finger up at the camera in a rude
way, and had this sneaky little smile too, like he was saying to the
opposite side - "I'me going to burn you in hell on my hot poker"!


I'm hoping for a much, much, more laughs before the World Cup ends!


All the best


Sofie

--
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Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287167 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:50
Sofia  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:07:33 +0200, Torak wrote:

> I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
> attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with complete
> sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may
> or may not be roughly the same thing.

I admit, listening to a speech by Gordon Brown may bore me stiff - but at
least I reckon I can sit there and listen to it much longer than I can sit
and listen to an interview by Steve Davis talking about snooker - that
would drive me positively senile! :-)

All the best

Sofie

--
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Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287187 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:40
Torak  
Sofia wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:07:33 +0200, Torak wrote:
>
>
>>I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
>>attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with complete
>>sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon Brown, which may
>>or may not be roughly the same thing.
>
>
> I admit, listening to a speech by Gordon Brown may bore me stiff - but at
> least I reckon I can sit there and listen to it much longer than I can sit
> and listen to an interview by Steve Davis talking about snooker - that
> would drive me positively senile! :-)

Oh no, not *talking* about snooker.

I quite enjoy watching him *playing* snooker, though.

I watched the World Trick Shot Championships back in the mid nineties
some time. Steve Davies facing off against Alain Roubidoux (sp?) was
quite impressive.
Re: Football Monks [message #287205 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:06
Richard Adams  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Torak wrote:
> > Richard Adams wrote:
> >> Torak wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I actually enjoy billiards, snooker, pool and so on. But football
> >>> attains a level of tedium that I normally associate only with
> >>> complete sensory deprivation accompanied by a speech by Gordon
> >>> Brown, which may or may not be roughly the same thing.
> >>
> >> Yes.. I think I can see your point. Posting on AFP is clearly your
> >> favoured pastime.
> >
> > Sod all else to do at the moment.
>
> We *do* notice.
>
> So, why not take this golden opportunity of not having anything else to
> do and write a longer, witty and/or interesting post, instead of
> spreading youself thinly all over the group?
>
> It *would* be a nice change for some of us.
>
> Orjan

IIRC I do believe Torak partakes generously in the age-old afp
tradition: "If you can't think of a suitable reply to the post, change
the subject" Can't bloody think of any other way someone would tally
400+ posts in 12 days, unless they were selling m3d1c4t10n5.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287215 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:33
CeltiKaos  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:51:01 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:

> A subtle combination of strength, grace, and drama,

Ok so that's the national anthem, what about the game? Oh.. you *meant*
the game.. sorry - result of just coming out of the coma induced by the
last game I accidentally saw a few seconds of :)

> You don't have to be a superhuman to succeed.

Just to lift your wallet on pay day.

> Each to their own.

Agreed.

Kind regards,

Julian
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287216 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:35
CeltiKaos  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:51:00 +0200, Thomas Zahr wrote:

> I'll let you all know how it went on Saturday (if anybody is interested,
> that is)

Good luck!
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287233 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 02:32
alec  
In article <MPG.1ef7c7d3d2594ea2989ceb [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk says...

<football>

> Whereas I find it completely engrossing to watch and exhilarating to play.

I've tried to take an interest in football, becasue so many people find
it improtant,but totally failed. I have never managed to stick half a
game. I tried to watch the World Cup final eight years ago (I think),
and after after twenty minutes I went off to mow the lawn. I simply
cannot see anything to interest, let alone engross. My loss, I am sure,
but I feel like a blind man when someone describes a rainbow.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287340 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 11:04
Gift  
> While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
> it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
> calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
> who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
> tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting event.
>

You should definitely watch this movie: Shaolin Soccer
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286112/
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287341 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 10:56
Jeremy Sharpe  
Alec Cawley wrote On 06/13/06 02:32,:
> In article <MPG.1ef7c7d3d2594ea2989ceb [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
> eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk says...
>
> <football>
>
>>Whereas I find it completely engrossing to watch and exhilarating to play.
>
>
> I've tried to take an interest in football, becasue so many people find
> it improtant,but totally failed. I have never managed to stick half a
> game. I tried to watch the World Cup final eight years ago (I think),
> and after after twenty minutes I went off to mow the lawn. I simply
> cannot see anything to interest, let alone engross. My loss, I am sure,
> but I feel like a blind man when someone describes a rainbow.
>
I'm more of a Rugger Bugger or Cricket Bore, but found myself enjoying
the Czech-USA match last night greatly.

The fact that business had taken me to Munich, and I was sitting in the
Chinese bit of the English Gardens, with a succession of HB beers in
litre pots may have helped my feelings of goodwill to all men.

Oh, also reading Alastair Reynolds' Redemption Ark at the same time kept
the going good!

BTW, I would NOT have like to been a Merkin last night, the 'neutral'
crowd must have been 90%+ pro-Czech, and the few Merkins with Old Glory
draped over were somewhat subdued, even before the goals began to flow.

best

j
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287372 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 13:34
Hendrik Schober  
Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:35:14 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:
>
>> but once I am at home I don'tfeel
>> like it's important enough to do that and I agree with Örjan
>> that one goal per game (as it so often is) is boring. Maybe
>> tomorrow night...
>
>
> Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? [...]

As I said: "I usually don't care for it, too."
I don't know much of it, but I sometimes watch the finals
of the bigger international events. That makes about two
games a year. Mhmm. Or two every other year, maybe.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287396 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 14:53
Thomas Zahr  
CeltiKaos posted:

> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:51:00 +0200, Thomas Zahr wrote:
>
>> I'll let you all know how it went on Saturday (if anybody
>> is interested, that is)
>
> Good luck!

Thanks.

Apparently the weather is changing, only 20-25 degrees C on the agenda instead of
the 30+ they were predicting earlier.

Better for the soccer, still warm enough for the beer.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<Mine Horn Is Exalted In Om>
Re: Football Monks [message #287422 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 17:33
Richard Adams  
Gift wrote:
> > While it isn't new, buddhist monks desperate to follow the World Cup,
> > it certainly does seem a test of will to view the matches and remain
> > calm. Somehow I can imagine a new order of monks, the Football Monks
> > who meditate on balance, maintaining a calm demenor and inner
> > tranquility in the face of the world's most captivating sporting event.
> >
>
> You should definitely watch this movie: Shaolin Soccer
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286112/

Seen it. The stuff off the pitch is humourous, the stuff on the pitch
is mostly the same old too-much-special-effects rubbish. Overall, not
a bad view.

My first thought, when I heard of the Football Monks and their desire
to watch matches and the demand placed upon them to remain calm, was of
the Monks of History in Thief of Time. Perhaps a bit tenous, but
visualise an abbey off in some distant land where they comtemplate the
perfect cross.

Come to think of it, it's more like the world of football fans are the
monks, everyone else is just supporting cast. :o)
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287580 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 10:46
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Eric Jarvis wrote:

> I like drama that is completely unpredictable, like all the best
> improvised drama football uses a restricted structure to encourage freedom
> of expression, and like all improvised drama it can fall flat on its face.
> However you don't know what will happen when the game starts. No matter
> who is playing who.
>
> Each to their own.

There was an article about the science (or rather, statistical studies)
of soccer on the television last week. I don't know much about this,
but I'll pass on the gist of it in my capacity as a humble messenger.

Apparently, if a soccer game comes down to penalties, then each team
gets five chances, using five different players, to get the ball into
the right place (or something like that). What statistical studies have
shown is that a team has a better chance of succeeding if the
*weakest* of these five players kicks first, followed by the second
weakest, and so on, saving the very best player for last. Apparently
it has hitherto been traditional to do it the other way around.

The explanation given for this is that being the *last* penalty kicker,
and having nobody else to back you up if you fail, is far more
stressful than being the *first* penalty kicker, and having four other
players ready to take your fall. And the very best players are those
who can cope with the extra stress.

More details: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1658568.htm

Not all that interesting, but I thought I'd throw it in.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287661 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 18:05
Diane L  
8'FED wrote:

<snip>
> More details: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1658568.htm
>
> Not all that interesting, but I thought I'd throw it in.

It's probably the most interesting thing (to me) that I have read or
will read about the World Cup. :-)

Diane L.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #287673 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 18:21
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Diane L wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> More details: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1658568.htm
>>
>> Not all that interesting, but I thought I'd throw it in.
>
> It's probably the most interesting thing (to me) that I have read or
> will read about the World Cup. :-)

Which isn't saying much, is it?

Adrian.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #288117 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 00:12
Sofia  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:51:47 +0930, 8'FED wrote:

>>
>> <snip>
>>> More details: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1658568.htm
>>>
>>> Not all that interesting, but I thought I'd throw it in.
>>
>> It's probably the most interesting thing (to me) that I have read or
>> will read about the World Cup. :-)
>
> Which isn't saying much, is it?


You know, there's still a very long time yet until we get to penalties in
the "knock out" stages. First you're going to have to wait until all the
smaller football groups have finished playing each other, to see who can
get into the finals (the 16 football teams left over). Then these teams
simply play each other, and knock each other out - if the match being a
draw at the end of extra time given, then penalties have to be taken.

As I was saying there is still a very long time for that time to come
though!


All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I] Football Monks [message #288123 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 00:35
Diane L  
8'FED wrote:
> Diane L wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> More details: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1658568.htm
>>>
>>> Not all that interesting, but I thought I'd throw it in.
>>
>> It's probably the most interesting thing (to me) that I have read or
>> will read about the World Cup. :-)
>
> Which isn't saying much, is it?

Hey, I got to the end of your post. For me, about the World Cup, that's
practically rivetting.

Diane L.
Re: [I] Football Monks [message #288532 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:45
Sofia  
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:56 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:

>> Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? [...]
>
> As I said: "I usually don't care for it, too."
> I don't know much of it, but I sometimes watch the finals
> of the bigger international events. That makes about two
> games a year. Mhmm. Or two every other year, maybe.


Shame that's all you watch, I watched another absolutely fantastic game
this morning - Argentina won 6/0 to Serbia, and I would have been kicking
myself to death if I missed it, and they're about as *BIG* as you're
going to get in the finals - they also have several very nice-looking
players!!!! :-)


All the best


Sofie

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Re: [I] Football Monks [message #288558 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 00:25
Hendrik Schober  
Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:56 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? [...]
> >
> > As I said: "I usually don't care for it, too."
> > I don't know much of it, but I sometimes watch the finals
> > of the bigger international events. That makes about two
> > games a year. Mhmm. Or two every other year, maybe.
>
>
> Shame that's all you watch, I watched another absolutely fantastic game
> this morning - Argentina won 6/0 to Serbia, and I would have been kicking
> myself to death if I missed it, and they're about as *BIG* as you're
> going to get in the finals - they also have several very nice-looking
> players!!!! :-)

It wasn't in the morning, but 3pm, and I /could/
have watched it, even though I was at work at that
time, because the boss bought one of those TV-in-a-
USB-stick thingies, which, together with a Mac Mini
and a beamer make a rather impressing show. However,
I already had to leave work 2 hours later than I
had planned even without getting distracted for
nearly two hours, so I am glad I didn't watch it.
6:0 sounds like fun to watch, though, and the human
live ticker (shouting from the next room) indicated
so. :o>
Oh, and I am absolutely not interested in any male
Brasilian football players. Not at all. Gar nicht.
Nada. (The female world cup winners are next town,
BTW.)

Schobi

--
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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: Football Monks [message #288592 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 01:41
Richard Adams  
Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:56 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:
> >
> > > > Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? [...]
> > >
> > > As I said: "I usually don't care for it, too."
> > > I don't know much of it, but I sometimes watch the finals
> > > of the bigger international events. That makes about two
> > > games a year. Mhmm. Or two every other year, maybe.
> >
> >
> > Shame that's all you watch, I watched another absolutely fantastic game
> > this morning - Argentina won 6/0 to Serbia, and I would have been kicking
> > myself to death if I missed it, and they're about as *BIG* as you're
> > going to get in the finals - they also have several very nice-looking
> > players!!!! :-)
>
> It wasn't in the morning, but 3pm, and I /could/
> have watched it, even though I was at work at that
> time, because the boss bought one of those TV-in-a-
> USB-stick thingies, which, together with a Mac Mini
> and a beamer make a rather impressing show. However,
> I already had to leave work 2 hours later than I
> had planned even without getting distracted for
> nearly two hours, so I am glad I didn't watch it.
> 6:0 sounds like fun to watch, though, and the human
> live ticker (shouting from the next room) indicated
> so. :o>
> Oh, and I am absolutely not interested in any male
> Brasilian football players. Not at all. Gar nicht.
> Nada. (The female world cup winners are next town,
> BTW.)
>
> Schobi

And then I hear of german churches bringing in big screens. There's a
way to ensure they have the attention of the flock ... or so it would
appear if the screen is behind the priest.

"Himmel! They cheered my sermon!"


What next? Our Lady of the Immaculate Set Piece?
Re: Football Monks [message #288713 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 13:41
Steve Rogers  
"Richard Adams" <ackthpt [at] concentric.net> wrote in message
news:1150501291.944627.292790 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
>> Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:56 +0200, Hendrik Schober wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Hmmm, I guess you don't watch much football do you? [...]
>> > >
>> > > As I said: "I usually don't care for it, too."
>> > > I don't know much of it, but I sometimes watch the finals
>> > > of the bigger international events. That makes about two
>> > > games a year. Mhmm. Or two every other year, maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > Shame that's all you watch, I watched another absolutely fantastic
>> > game
>> > this morning - Argentina won 6/0 to Serbia, and I would have been
>> > kicking
>> > myself to death if I missed it, and they're about as *BIG* as
>> > you're
>> > going to get in the finals - they also have several very
>> > nice-looking
>> > players!!!! :-)
>>
>> It wasn't in the morning, but 3pm, and I /could/
>> have watched it, even though I was at work at that
>> time, because the boss bought one of those TV-in-a-
>> USB-stick thingies, which, together with a Mac Mini
>> and a beamer make a rather impressing show. However,
>> I already had to leave work 2 hours later than I
>> had planned even without getting distracted for
>> nearly two hours, so I am glad I didn't watch it.
>> 6:0 sounds like fun to watch, though, and the human
>> live ticker (shouting from the next room) indicated
>> so. :o>
>> Oh, and I am absolutely not interested in any male
>> Brasilian football players. Not at all. Gar nicht.
>> Nada. (The female world cup winners are next town,
>> BTW.)
>>
>> Schobi
>
> And then I hear of german churches bringing in big screens. There's a
> way to ensure they have the attention of the flock ... or so it would
> appear if the screen is behind the priest.
>
> "Himmel! They cheered my sermon!"
>
>
> What next? Our Lady of the Immaculate Set Piece?
>

How about: Eternal Damnation by The Off-Side Rule?

Steve
Re: Football Monks [message #288715 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 13:55
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:41:32 -0700, Richard Adams wrote:

> What next? Our Lady of the Immaculate Set Piece?

*LOL*

--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: Football Monks [message #288720 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 13:27
Eric Jarvis  
Richard Adams ackthpt [at] concentric.net wrote in
<1150501291.944627.292790 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
> > Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shame that's all you watch, I watched another absolutely fantastic game
> > > this morning - Argentina won 6/0 to Serbia, and I would have been kicking
> > > myself to death if I missed it, and they're about as *BIG* as you're
> > > going to get in the finals - they also have several very nice-looking
> > > players!!!! :-)
> >
> > It wasn't in the morning, but 3pm, and I /could/
> > have watched it, even though I was at work at that
> > time, because the boss bought one of those TV-in-a-
> > USB-stick thingies, which, together with a Mac Mini
> > and a beamer make a rather impressing show.
>
> And then I hear of german churches bringing in big screens. There's a
> way to ensure they have the attention of the flock ... or so it would
> appear if the screen is behind the priest.
>
> "Himmel! They cheered my sermon!"
>

CNN showed a short piece from Argentina last night. What they have done is
show the Argentina matches in schools and then base lessons around them.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Football Monks [message #288747 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 15:25
Hendrik Schober  
Richard Adams <ackthpt [at] concentric.net> wrote:
> [...]
> And then I hear of german churches bringing in big screens. [...]

Do they? Hadn't heard that one. The funniest I came across
was this pub that announced free beer to everyone present
for every goal the Germans made. They had to be really
really patient for the last game. :)
Oh, and then we had a grill party in the kindergarden this
week, to which someone brought a TV-equipped laptop so
people could see the current game if they wanted to. <sigh>

It's just one month. It's just one month. It's just one...

Schobi

--
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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: Football Monks [message #288754 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 16:06
geminii  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:25:56 +0200, "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap [at] gmx.de>
wrote:

> Oh, and then we had a grill party in the kindergarden this
> week, to which someone brought a TV-equipped laptop so
> people could see the current game if they wanted to. <sigh>
>
> It's just one month. It's just one month. It's just one...

Heh. Throw a "sick of the World Cup" party for everyone who can't stand
the media oversaturation.


-SteveD
Re: Football Monks [message #288784 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 19:34
CeltiKaos  
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:06:26 +1000, geminii wrote:

> Heh. Throw a "sick of the World Cup" party for everyone who can't stand
> the media oversaturation.

And hope your BBQ doesn't die before the 30,000th burger ;)

--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
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